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Michael's avatar

Looking forward to seeing the argument from conceivability to possibility. Maybe it can help cure my modal skepticism

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You provide a quote which speaks of a “definition” of phenomenal consciousness: what it’s like. Unfortunately this is no definition. It’s simply another set of words that seemingly appear to serve as a synonym. No substantive definition seems to have been given. It’s like defining “hello” as “bonjour” or some other cognate term in another language. It is empty and unhelpful.

Other features of the description are also obscure, e.g., “That is, consciousness is subjective in the sense that it’s present only for its subject or from a particular point of view.” Present? Is it located somewhere? What does that mean? Skeptics of phenomenal consciousness do not generally deny that people occupy points of view or have better access to certain kinds of information (about their sensory experiences, etc.) than others, they only deny there’s some special qualitative, phenomenal aspect to those states above and beyond what could be described in third personal terms. It’s not clear how accounts like these can simultaneously pick out anything distinctive about phenomenal consciousness and not do so in a way that could be construed in illusionist or eliminativist terms.

I also don’t find appeals to “obviousness” persuasive at all. You say, “It’s plain obvious that there is something about my conscious states that nobody else can know about in the same direct way that I know about them.”

Okay, but it’s obvious to me that this isn’t the case. So now what? I see no reason to privilege what’s obvious to you or anyone else over what’s obvious to me. If you feel the same, appeals to have “obvious” something is simply set dialectical boundaries, delimiting what kinds of positions you will or won’t consider. Incidentally, I am entirely open to considering that what seems obvious to me is wrong, anyway. If you aren’t, then it seems you’re simply declaring yourself incorrigible about certain claims. Nobody else can do much about it if that’s the case, but one’s personal declaration of being unable or unwilling to change consider that they could be mistaken about something doesn’t make for productive conversation with people who think you very much are mistaken.

I agree part of this: “If you can’t adequately explain the privacy of experience, then you at least have to explain why phenomenal consciousness seems private, why it gives us the impression of being private, etc.”

Note that you simply state that it “seems private,” without qualification. Seems private to who? It does not seem to me that it’s private in the way you and others appear to believe it is. There’s little empirical evidence nonphilosophers are on the same page as philosophers about this, either. I do agree that those of us who disagree with you need to explain why you and others report that it seems this way. Note, however, that this does not require us granting that it “seems” this way to us, or to people in general. The extent to which things seem a certain way to anyone is an empirical question and can vary from one individual to another.

You also say this, “It won’t suffice to simply deny privacy, burden-shift, or pretend to not understand what’s being discussed.”

Critics of people like me, who deny phenomenal consciousness, often accuse us of “pretending.” This implies we’re being dishonest. You don’t know what people’s intentions are and don’t have the ability to read minds. Presuming people who disagree are “pretending” is not a great way to engage with people who disagree with you. I could just as readily accuse you of “pretending” to have these concepts or to accurately report how things seem to you. If I were to do this, I’d probably be wrong, and you’d have every right to be dismissive towards me: you know what you think better than I do, and if I were to accuse you of “pretending” when you knew you weren’t, you’d both (a) have no reason to take me seriously and (b) at least some reason to be bothered by such accusations. Such accusations are also very destructive to honest and productive dialog. Nobody likes to be accused of dishonesty when they’re not being dishonest.

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